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The people of the Netherlands have voted AGAINST the European Constitution.

I am now officially living in a bananarepublic. I wanna move to Canada or New Zealand or any place where I don't feel surrounded by total morons.


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Jun. 1st, 2005 11:34 pm (UTC)
Excuse me?
I -am- one of those "morons".
Jun. 1st, 2005 11:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but you don't surround me?
Sorry for the namecalling, it was in the heat of the moment.
I still think the majority of the Dutch made the wrong decision though. But we're allowed to disagree from time to time.
Jun. 1st, 2005 11:52 pm (UTC)
Let's see what happens.
Jun. 2nd, 2005 12:50 am (UTC)
Hey...at least you got the chance of a vote...all we keep getting in the UK is 'Lets wait and see how things go'. We would love the opportunity to say yea or neigh!
Jun. 2nd, 2005 08:33 am (UTC)
I hear you there, it doesn't seem fair that some countries' governments decide not to let the people vote.
Jun. 2nd, 2005 12:09 pm (UTC)
*neigh*? :p
Jun. 2nd, 2005 07:02 am (UTC)
It's not like they're not going to try again for the constitution.
Seriously, take your loss like a man.
Jun. 2nd, 2005 11:28 am (UTC)
Easy words to say when you're on the winning side! ;P
Jun. 5th, 2005 07:01 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, I've never lost a thing in my life..

Gee, thanks for reminding me total stranger!
Jun. 5th, 2005 05:07 pm (UTC)
Um, I was joking, see the winking smiley there?

and OMG, a stranger on the internet commenting on your comment on LJ, whould'vethunkit... Never thought it could happen, what's this world coming to?! (yes, I am also joking, before you go and flame me or something)

Hi, I'm Niche and I happen to read this particular Livejournal, where I saw your comment and I felt like replying to it, so yeah.
Nice to meet you ;)
Jun. 6th, 2005 03:44 pm (UTC)
BTW, are you sure we haven't met somewhere online before? (Lionking mailing list, dutchfurs....?) Your nickname rings a very loud bell...

Just curious :)
Jun. 2nd, 2005 11:34 am (UTC)
Well, I guess it's back to drafting something that might be more appealing to the people...

My husband and I were wondering if people voted "no" for the wrong reasons, like:

"I am voting against because I can't understand the text and it's too long."
If you don't understand it, how can you be sure that you are not voting against something that you actually might like or agree with?


"I am not sure, so I'll go for no."
In these cases better stay home and not vote at all! (or actually try to read and understand the stuff, check different points of view, opinions, and then evaluate the stuff and reach your own informed decision. Not just "cause my friends says it's good/bad so it must be good/bad.")

(I didn't vote, I can't cause I ain't no dutchie yet ;P )
Jun. 2nd, 2005 02:51 pm (UTC)
I voted against with about the same feeling you have when you decide to let the fly be eaten by the spider. It's not a pleasant choice, nor an easy one, but you have to do what you think is best.

Why did I vote against? Not because I'm anti-Euro, anti-Europe, anti-Balkenende or his government, because what my opinion on those issues is doesn't really matter.

I am not anti, no matter how much people try to make it sound like every vote against is cast for stupid reasons like wanting Balkenende to look a fool. I voted against because, on a few important issues, this constitution was wrong in my eyes.

To me, it was too elaborate. As far as I know, a constitution includes the basics of a community, and the fine points are arranged in other laws, laws that can be changed (more easily than a constitution) in case of changing circumstances. This draft contains references to current affairs that should be addressed in other documents.

Secondly: the free market economy isn't a universally great idea. Japan, as far as I know, had a highly liberal free market economy when the bubble burst. To include in a constitution the kind of economic course one is to take is to glue the steering wheel of a car in position.

There is a mention that the members will continue to ameliorate their military faculties. But nothing it says until when, until what happens, until they have so-and-so much... The cost really isn't the issue, this is in the NATO treaty as well, someone told me, but this is a constitution. Do we want to have this as a basic premise of our community?

So, why vote against? Not because Balkenende's hairdresser has a braille-mirror. Not because I luuurve Geert Wilders (I don't. He goes to the same hairdresser :D). Not because the Euro made everything more expensive: that will be smoothed over in the future, I believe. But because there are points in that constitution that I cannot overlook, no matter how much I would have liked to vote in favour.

I want Europe to have a good constitution, not because I hate my government, but because I love this part of the world I live in.
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